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By: The Very Definition of a Police State | Fresno Criminal Defense

The Very Definition of a Police State | Fresno Criminal Defense — Sun, 31 May 2009 16:19:54 +0000

[...] That is particularly true when it comes to police states. For one thing, as I have written elsewhere, police states do not spring upon the world fully formed. They evolve from other forms of [...]

By: Eric Essman

Eric Essman — Sat, 16 May 2009 21:24:17 +0000

Thanks Jackie:
Thanks for agreeing with me that Chief Dyer’s past alleged conduct is irrelevant. Because the conduct is just that, alleged. Again, he was never charged or tried for the offense that Mr. Horowitz likes to mention frequently. I guess the idea of innocent until proven guilty applies toward eyerone except for the Police.

By: Mark Bellamy JD.

Mark Bellamy JD. — Sat, 16 May 2009 07:53:27 +0000

Mr, Horowitz,
I am inclined to agree with the majority of the things that you have written, are writing. I was raised in foster care and lived in many states so my opinion comes from years of constant diversity. Most of my foster care parents were police officers and one attorney for the state of Florida in 1960. I was pretty much ignored as ” children were “to be seen and not heard” and the stuff these police talked about doing is heinous. As a result I believe the assessment percentage wise is much higher. I might add that many of my friends and co-workers will go out of there way to by-pass Fresno altogether. I believe you have a valid point and it is spot on.

By: Eric Essman

Eric Essman — Fri, 15 May 2009 20:25:37 +0000

Mr. Horowitz:
I am sorry (actually not) that I do not share your view of some police officers having Nazi like characteristics. Your comment about “brown shirted” deputy sherrif’s who “just follow orders” being very telling about Mr. Horowitz’s feelings toward our police force. It is kind of amusing how in Mr. Horowitz’s last post he starts to backpedal on this idea. A poster named Jim mentions that most police officers are good guys with a hard job to do. Mr. Horowitz responds “Jim, nothing to disagree with there”. It is amusing because Jim is just paraphrasing every point I have been making for many posts. Yet Mr. Horowitz says “nothing to disagree with there” towards Jim. But when I express the same sentiments as Jim I am horribly misinformed. Presumbably Jim is a friend or associate. Can anyone say “double standard”?

By: Eric Essman

Eric Essman — Fri, 15 May 2009 19:53:23 +0000

Mr. Horowitz:
You told me to “post away” so please allow me to take you up on your offer. I usually do support the police although no one who actually knows me would characterize me as a “cheerleader”. I did not know that supporting the people who keep us safe at night was immoral or illegal. Mr. Horowitz has educated me so much in that regard. Thank you Mr. Horowitz. Notice how Mr. Horowtiz will still not tackle the one hardball question I have asked him seven times now. But hardball is a game for adults while younger folks tend to prefer softball.

By: Eric Essman

Eric Essman — Fri, 15 May 2009 19:47:16 +0000

Mr. Horowitz;
Nothing in your latest response surprises me. Of course you are not going to meet people before you attack their character or opinions. That would require courage. That is something that you would rather not deal with. It involves the real world and might take a person out of their ivory tower for a few hours.I have no problem living with the fact that you disagree with me. In fact I take it as a compliment. My my you are so defensive for such an accomplished intellectual. I am sure your intellect has soared to heights that working class people like myself cannot even begin to imagine. I am not a cheerleader for the police. I will post as long as you continue to attack me and mischaracterize me. You devoted an entire blog to attacking me so now you will deal with my replies. I have the moral if not legal right to reply in any situation in which someone might call into question my integrity and honor. Thank you O’ great and mighty defense attorney Horowitz for allowing a humble and lowly civil servant the chance to respond. For those of you listening in, In my opinion this is the type of guy who despises working class people even though they probably supply him with most of his clients. Just read his posts about being sorry he does not work for the county, he has “real work”. Mr. Horowitz is not really (in my opinion) a big freedom of speech advocate as he constantly makes veiled threats to eradicate my posts anytime he wants. I guess freedom of speech is reserved for those who hold graduate degree’s right Mr. Horowitz. Notice how Mr. Horowitz will never answer the hardball question that I have asked him seven times now. I can imagine Mr. Horowitz stomping his feet up and down on the floor because a lowly and stupid civil servant had the nerve to disagree with him. But that is okay, I am use to temper tantrums. I have a young son. I truly wish you all the best Mr. Horowitz. And I hope you have a restful and relaxing weekend. All the best, Eric Essman.

By: RickH

RickH — Fri, 15 May 2009 19:09:35 +0000

Jim, nothing to disagree with there.

Mr. Essman, you actually do not have a right to post on this blog, regardless of what you think. I own it. Your posts are here because I don’t delete them. In that respect, you are absolutely correct that I “allow” you to post.

I think that fact alone shows that I don’t have a problem with you disagreeing with me. So you disagree with me about the way I’ve used Dyer’s history. Do you seriously believe I don’t understand that after nearly a dozen posts in which you repeat the same things each time? Are you trying to communicate to me that until I change my mind, you’re going to keep posting about it?

I post my thoughts on this blog. People sometimes agree and they sometimes disagree. I sometimes respond and I sometimes don’t respond. I started my blog so I could do that sort of thing, not because I thought you needed a forum to complain about my attitudes, beliefs, courage, childishness, open-mindedness, sense of humor, thought processes, methods of making my points or any other character traits of mine you may wish to criticize. (Not that you would ever engage in such personal attacks on me, of course.)

I’m sorry you don’t like the way I do things. But, no, I’m not going to only write about people I’ve met, nor am I only going to write about situations in which I have direct involvement. It would be an awfully sparse and boring blog if that’s all I did.

As for “attacking” people, I’m pretty sure readers of the blog can decide for themselves who is calling whom “defensive,” who is accusing whom of “childlike” behaviors, who is saying who is not “owning up” to what they intend by the words they use, etc.

Post away, Mr. Essman. I’ve said what I need to say. You disagree with me. I think I can live with that.

By: Eric Essman

Eric Essman — Fri, 15 May 2009 18:00:14 +0000

Mr. Horowitz:
Why are you getting so defensive. Rick almost yells in his last post “this is MY BlOG” and I am allowing you to post. The childlike nature of his anger is somewhat amusing. Again , after devoting an entire blog to attacking me he is being so generous in “allowing” me to post. What an open minded man you are to “allow” someone to respond to criticisms about their character and opinions.I stand in awe of you Mr. Horowitz. Thank you for even acknowledging someone who is engaged in the dual sins of being a member of the working class and disagreeing with you. You criticize Chief Dyer many many times and then admit you have never actually met him. Your courage is beyond description Mr. Horowitz. But I forgot you also devoted an entire blog towards criticizing me and mischaracterized almost every aspect of my posts. And you have never met me either. Do you think in the future you might actually want to meet someone that you write about? Probably not. After all you have “work” to do. And showing courage probably is not “work related” All the best, Eric Essman.

By: Eric Essman

Eric Essman — Fri, 15 May 2009 17:35:48 +0000

Mr. Horowitz:
Mr. Horowitz devotes an entire blog to attacking me and my defense of the Fresno Police Dept. and now he will “allow” me to respond. How big of you Mr. Horowitz. When he has no answer to my arguments he starts attacking what I do for a living. Yes, I am a civil servant. I was not aware that was a crime or made me ineligible to post on your blog. His comment about “not all of us work for the county” I had “work” that needed to be done. The insinuation being of course that I do not “work” because I am a lowly civil servant. He is a “defense attorney” and must be rendered proper adoration. Mr. Horowitz cannot stand it that someone with only an undergraduate degree can poke holes in his arguments and contentions. In his mind, I should be worshipping at his feet for sharing the golden nuggets of wisdom that he so graciously allows me to read. Who am I to disagree with someone who holds a J.D. degree and practices law? He devotes an entire blog to attacking a person he has never met (that being myself) and yet if I try to defend myself I am using up too much of his time. He even suggests I start my own blog. Feeling a little threatened Mr. Horowitz? I hope not. Notice how Mr. Horowitz will never answer the one hardball question I have asked him six times now. He hasn’t answered it because the answer would be embarassing for him and would undermine most if not all of his posts about Chief Dyer. I do not think at the moment I want to start my own blog Mr. Horowitz. You devoted an entire blog to attacking me and I have the right to respond to those attacks. Sorry I did not quote any legal cases or lofty philosophers, I tend to rely on my own common sense and lessons I have learned in the real world. Come back to Earth Mr. Horowitz, you are a decent guy and the Earth could use a decent man.

By: Eric Essman

Eric Essman — Fri, 15 May 2009 15:58:32 +0000

Mr. Horowtiz:
I agree you are not Bob. But how delightful it would be if you learn a few lessons from Bob. I have never attacked you personally, that would require effort that you do not merit. I have attacked your ideas. i like (actually don’t) the way you put down civil servants also. With your comment about “sorry I don’t work for the county”. Not all of us have the luxury of being self employed and or self important. I do not live on your blog Mr. Horowitz. I could not handle the drop in the standard of living that would entail. However, it seems that you devote an inordinate amount of time to examining and trying to find fault with every commen I make. I know in your world it is a crime to view the police with anything but mistrust , so in your view I am probably a criminal. Notice how Mr. Horowitz has still not answered the one hardball question I have asked him time and time again. I actually enjoy interacting with Mr. Horowtiz and I think he is a decent person he just has a very narrow view of police officers and police work. All the best, Eric Essman.